From: Ken <p3073400@student.anu.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:12:19 +1100
Subject: Re: BOF qualifications
Message-Id: <3249A033.7494@student.anu.edu.au>


Walder Patrick (pgrad) wrote:
> 
> Apologies to those outwith the UK who are probably fed up with this discussion.
> 
On the contrary. I for one think it is fascinating viewing. The tendency
for contributors to take positions rather than examining the situation
on its merits -- throwing in unsubstantiated claims -- thinly disguising
an opinion as representing the majority.

Bit like an OF meeting without having to attend.

Sincerely, Ken Dowling (who does not have an opinion on the actual
topic)


From: Hans Steinegger <hs@ocad.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:23:28 +0200
Subject: Re: O Maps - Printing methods OCAD
Message-Id: <32496A90.1834@ocad.com>


Mike
 
> I'd like to get opinions of using maps made on color inkjet printers
> for competition events.
> (National championship in this case)

I have seen now different maps printed on the Epson Stylus Color with 
720 DPI special paper. The quality is excellent and there is almost no 
difference compared to offset printed map. So the quality problem is 
solved. However the 720 DPI paper is very expensive. I addition I don't 
know how this paper behaves in a competition (is the map damaged when 
the paper is folded?). This has to be investigated.

Another technique to be carefully looked at is digital printing. I am 
aware of tests being done in Sweden, Finland and Switzerland. These 
tests are mainly done on Indigo and Agfa Chromapress machines. The 
quality regarding resolution is excellent. But the maps I have seen so 
far have rather fade colors. That seems to be the main problem. I also 
don't have any results how the paper behaves in competitions. Prices 
seem to be good for low volume printing (<1000). There are surely 
digital printing shops in South Afrika, otherwise you may ask Indigo 
directly.

Regards
Hans Steinegger




From: jarhd1@aol.com (Jarhd1)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 16:07:17 -0400
Subject: Question?
Message-Id: <52c3dl$i94@newsbf02.news.aol.com>


I have two very basic questions ?

1) This might sound like a stupid question but one that I must ask, I'm
planning
to attend an O race in Austrailia in Sept 97, Do I have to purchase a
compass
from that region due to the balance of the neddle or will my current
compass 
that I purchased in the northeastern USA be good enough ?

2) Does anyone know of any O races in New York taking place this fall?


   Chris Ballou


From: Dmjcarto@aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:57:40 -0400
Subject: Re: That Viking Map
Message-Id: <960925195740_317452569@emout06.mail.aol.com>


In a message dated 96-09-25 13:59:49 EDT, you write:

<< because of hip high ferns during the first A-
 meet held on the map several years ago. >>

   You didn't have to worry about that this time around, the "over the head"
blackberries pretty much killed off the ferns (see previous posting about
gypsy moth damage).   As the SON's people were told in '93 "late March and
April are the only GOOD times to put on a meet here".   This still holds
true.

mark


From: johnstoj@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca (Jillian Johnston)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:07:13 GMT
Subject: Finding North
Message-Id: <52bvt1$1p6g@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>


I am a leader with Girl Guides of Canada and I'm trying to find a
reliable way of finding north (or any direction for that matter)
without a compass on a cloudy day.  If we can see the sun through
the clouds then we're OK - what about on a heavily overcast day?
Thanks for your help

--
Jillian Johnston
Dept. of Biological Sciences       Guider
Univ. of Calgary                   30 Pathfinders, Tanisi District



From: "Derek Goring" <GORINGD@chch.niwa.cri.nz>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:19:00 +1200
Subject: Control circles in OCAD
Message-Id: <3249A1A2.F54B.0002@CHCH.NIWA.CRI.NZ>


I'm planning a relays event in which we will use laser-printed OCAD maps
with courses drawn in OCAD.  For some courses there will be as many as 9
different map combinations (1AX,1AY,1AZ,1BX,......).  

One way of avoiding screw-ups would be to put all the controls on a master
map, then for each course combination only turn on the controls relevant
for that course.  This would ensure that between maps the controls are on
identical features.  If all the controls were the default control circle in
OCAD, this would be simple because you can just reduce the line width to
zero and the control disappears.  But in our case, we're going to have to
cut some of the circles to avoid obscuring adjacent features.  Then we use
the circle tool and scissors.  But now we cannot reduce the line width to
zero, or if we do the line still appears.

Has anyone faced and solved this problem??

Perhaps I could define a new colour and put it at the bottom of the colour
list..... 

Is there a better way?

Derek Goring
PAPO, Christchurch, NZ


From: bmay@phys.ocean.dal.ca (Brian D. May)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 15:14:21 GMT
Subject: Re: ROGAINE ROGAINE---THE GREAT WILDERNESS RACE!
Message-Id: <52bi8d$f7c@News.Dal.Ca>


To clear up a little confusion regarding next year's rogaine ...

Event: Maxi-Moose Rogaine
Date: May 17-18, 1997
Location: Cobequid Mountains of Colchester County, Nova Scotia 
        (near village of Wentworth) 
Classes: junior, senior, masters, mixed; 6 hour and 24 hour

There is a 50 team limit, "first-come, first-served" basis.  Now that
the cat is out of the bag, I'd better get my application in.

This is the only rogaine planned for next spring in Nova Scotia and is
the event so enthusiastically advertised by Greg Nix (the original
poster).  He apparantly mixed up the dates.

Brian

--
Brian May
Department of Oceanography              email: bmay@phys.ocean.dal.ca
Dalhousie University                    phone: (902) 494-7007 (work)
Halifax, Nova Scotia                    phone: (902) 462-3364 (home)
B3H 4J1       Canada                    fax:   (902) 494-2885



From: Tarvo Avaste <ta@jupiter.aai.ee>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:02:55 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Start lists of Suunto Games in Estonia
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960925210114.1589A@jupiter.aai.ee>




On October 5-6, Suunto Games '96 in Estonia will be held
at Vetla. Start lists are available at the Estonian 
O-Federation web-page:

http://www.aai.ee/~ta/o.html


Tarvo Avaste

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AS APT               | Fax +372 7 410485
EE2444 To~ravere 5   | E-Mail: ta@aai.ee
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From: watson@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Watson)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 10:55:22 GMT
Subject: Re: BOF qualifications
Message-Id: <52b32q$5n9@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>


In article <9609241451.AA11852@diana1.paisley.ac.uk>, phyp0014@diana1.paisley.ac.uk (Walder Patrick (pgrad)) writes:

>Apologies to those outwith the UK who are probably fed up with this discussion.

I have been toying with the idea for a while of trying to set up a uk only
newsgroup - it might have to be uk.rec.orienteering but I would try for
uk.sport.orienteering !!

I think I know how to go about this and the right people to lobby in the
uk net community.

The first step is to see if there is any support - I think to stand a chance
we need several tens of supporters.

Before taking this further, is there any out there?

Ian.



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From: "Milan Novotny" <milan@tmapy.cz>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:12:29 +0000
Subject: Re: O-net Digest V5 #198
Message-Id: <199609251611.AA03704@labe.hk.anet.cz >


 Czech Championships - results

Classic distance, 11,8km, 670 m climbing

1	49	 Ropek Rudolf	DLI	86:28
2	46	 Prokes Tomas	DLI	86:29
3	63	 Zakouril Vaclav	VSP	92:13
4	54	 Sadilek Martin	TZL	92:30
5	47	 Podmolik Tomas	TZL	92:35
6	51	 Jedlicka Michal	SHK	94:28
7	61	 Drahonovsky Ales	BOR	94:39
8	35	 Zridkavesely Libor	DLI	95:29
9	53	 Arnost Kamil	VSP	95:31
10	42	 Seidl Miroslav	EKP	95:35
11	32	 Boranek Petr	VSP	95:52
12	41	 Zakouril Tomas	VSP	95:56
13	55	 Kozak Petr	VSP	96:42
14	56	 Stepanek Martin	SBM	99:48
15	60	 Klech Richard	VOV	100:29
16	36	 Kucera Jan	VSP	100:51
17	40	 Novotny Radek	PHK	101:36
18	37	 Hlavac Jiri 	SBM	102:50
19	45	 Sidla Jan	                   TZL	103:11
20	34	 Tichovsky Martin	OKP	103:19

Women
1	115	 Liberdova Iveta	TRI	79:35
2	107	 Valaskova Sarka	VSP	79:54
3	108	 Knapova Iva	LPU	80:22
4	109	 Kubatkova Marcela	VOV	82:58
5	73	 Leskova Hana	OKP	83:44
6	113	 Jirsova Olga	BOR	85:09
7	106	 Klapalova Marcela	SRK	86:31
8	102	 Holinkova Hana	SBM	86:59
9	111	 Parizkova Vera	TJN	87:14
10	95	 Navratilova Iva	PHK	87:54
11	110	 Cieslarova Jana	POV	88:12
12	112	 Cechova Lenka	SBM	88:37
13	101	 Musilova Dagmar	TZL	90:08
14	83	 Sulcova Katerina	OKP	92:39
15	90	 Horackova Martina	VSP	95:12
16	74	 Slovakova Marie	LCE	95:26
17	103	 Honzova Maria	POV	96:00
18	86	 Borankova Kristina	VSP	96:17
19	97	 Bartova Eva	SRK	97:05
20	94	 Horova Magda	VSP	98:11

Relay Men
1. Dukla Liberec (Zridkavesely, Prokes, Ropek)
2. USK Praha A
3. USK Praha B

Relay Women
1. Universita Ostrava (Honzova, Liberdova, Cieslarova)
2. USK Praha
3. MOV Ostrava
___________________________________________________________________________

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   M A P Y                500 02 		E-mail: milan@tmapy.cz
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From: WEBER@cua.edu
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:26:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: That Viking Map
Message-Id: <01I9W545JXGI90MVG7@cu4300.cua.edu>


I had a miserable experience on the Land of Vikings map with deadfalls
that couldn't be seen because of hip high ferns during the first A-
meet held on the map several years ago.  Decided to give the place
a pass except possibly for December-March when the vegetation may
have died down enough for basic safety.

Kathy Weber



From: vladimir@london.physics.purdue.edu (Vladimir P. Gusiatnikov)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 03:25:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Viking Challenge -- advertising vs reality?
Message-Id: <52a8nh$l4h@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>


In article <0038A70F.fc@mlsonline.com>,
Dick Detwiler <Dick_Detwiler@mlsonline.com> wrote:
>The pre-meet information sheet on the Viking Challenge (held this past weekend,
>in Sherman, PA) said this (in part) about the terrain: 
>
>"Primarily wooded with 2nd and 3rd growth deciduous forest. Very open (fast) in
>most areas."
>
>The course-setter's notes given out at the meet said (in part):
>
>"These woods generally have low runnability. ..."
[...]
>
>Were these two descriptions of the same terrain? Was there (a) a decision made
>to move the meet from an "open (fast)" area to one that had "low runnability"?
>or (b) did the woods change from fast and open, to poor runnability between the
>time the pre-meet advertising went out, and the time of the meet?  :)

Over here in Indiana and Ohio we have a great lot of seasonal variation.
Some of the places that are pretty nasty now will be much more open and
fast once the grassy stuff is dead.

The places that the US Champs are in should be fairly good (my estimate is  
average speed of 75-80% of a "completely open" forest) in late October.

Vlad