From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:20:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Dangerous wild animals
Message-Id: <34e0b556.66845578@news1.boi.hp.com>
Guenther Kloeckl <klg@dicosoft.co.at> wrote:
>Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings" with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
>
Hmmm. My somewhat tired brain cells seem to remember a world-class European
female orienteer that had a nasty case of snakebite a number of years back.
Anybody remember the exact circumstances?
I personally was almost run over by a spooked cow at a Texas meet about a decade
ago (and if you don't consider a cow "dangerous", you've never met one
up-close-and-personal in the woods).
From: vladimir@london.physics.purdue.edu (Vladimir P. Gusiatnikov)
Date: 10 Feb 1998 21:59:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Orienteering in the Olympics
Message-Id: <6bqij4$dmq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>
In article <34DE6F43.5859@dial.pipex.com>, Soady <soady@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Second - I have just received a set of results from the first
>orienteering event held as part of the Olympics Games - the question now
>is not 'will orienteering ever be part of the Olympics?' - we have
>crossed that hurdle in Nagano.
The orienteering events in Nagano in no way were a part of the official
program(me). IOC did away with the concept of a demonstration sport
years ago. I'm sure the organizers of the races did their best to
present the sport to the Olympic audience, but I think the fact that
the races were a week outside of the Olympic 2-week period didn't help.
Races were by invitation only (no national teams).
BTW, Georgia OC held some events during the Atlanta Games. Does that
put O in the Olympics? No way.
I hope there'd be less wishful thinking in the O community and more
action. Maybe we should contact the curling people for some advice?
Vladimir
From: Dmjcarto@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:12:20 EST
Subject: Snowgaine '98 condition update
Message-Id: <5e13224.34e0faf6@aol.com>
Open sun facing ( south-southwest) slopes have a 50% to 60% of thin snow
coverage. Flat lands and protected valleys have almost 100% coverage but
thin. Wooded areas (over 80% of competition area) still holding a 3" to 18"
coarse granular snow pack. Packed trails/jeep tracks (snowmobile trails) icy
in the AM getting softer as day progresses (i.e. spring like weather). Rain
is forcast for Wed. nite to Thur. , changing to snow mix by Fri. Sunny but
cool (below freezing) by Sat.
mark
From: tony maniscalco <tony.maniscalco@the-spa.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:15:20 -0500
Subject: [none given]
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980210191520.007c63b0@the-spa.com>
>Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings"
>with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
At Brainerd Forest, West Hartford, Connecticut.
Several years ago a Northern Goshawk, defending
its nest, made several passes at a number of
runners as they made their way along a trail between
control points.
With talons fully extended it flew down,
came within inches of your head and landed in a tree
ahead of you. Then it attacked again from the
forward direction. Very effective at getting you to hurry
out of the area.
The occurance was reported in the NEOC Times.
The meet director declined responsibility for
animal control.
About 15 years ago a control was seized by a llama who would
not allow people to punch. Eventually, he gained total
control of the flag and punch.
This occured at Forest Park, Springfield, Massachusetts
The control was placed on a fence. The llama was a zoo resident
who lived in the large, open area enclosed by the fence.
This made headline news in the NEOC newsletter.
From: dimmicmj@aston.ac.uk (Mike Dimmick)
Date: 10 Feb 1998 17:47:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Dangerous wild animals
Message-Id: <6bq3s6$4g0$2@whatsit.aston.ac.uk>
In article <19980210140300.JAA29579@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
mikeminium@aol.com (Mikeminium) writes:
>
>>Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings"
>> with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
> I'll be interested in hearing the responses to this. I know of one
> female oreinteer who was run over by a deer. Apparently the animal
> was frightened by other orienteers and blindly ran into her. She
> was found walking up a park road, somewhat dazed and confused, but
> otherwise un-injured.
The deer or the orienteer? <g>
--
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From: Garry Trethewey <garrytre@adam.com.au>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:34:11 +1000
Subject: Re: Dangerous wild animals
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980211103411.006a0ff0@mail.adam.com.au>
>Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings"
> with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
Someone in Victoria got their leg badly cut when an emu kicked him.
Someone in SA wasrunning along a clifftop, and an undercut section gave
way, & they badly hurt their knee.
Anybody else know more details?
I discovered the joys of swatting flies & grasshoppers to feed lizards, and
got a bit sunburnt.
Garry Trethewey garrytre@adam.com.au
Adelaide Australia
From: Eric Smith <ensmith@msc.cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:43:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Rogaines without partners
Message-Id: <199802101743.RAA62936@hannah.msc.cornell.edu>
>
> From: "Clark N. Maxfield" <chicagoclark@compuserve.com>
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:04:29 -0500
> Subject: Open Rogaines to individual competitors!
>
> Gale Teschendorf wrote:
> "For safety reasons one cell phone per team should do the trick."
>
> Lest I belabor the obvious, if we're going to permit cell phones at
> Rogaines, why not open these events to both (1) individual competitor +
> cell phone, or (2) teams?
> While this might reduce some of the camaraderie and "social challenges"=
>
> of a Rogaine (i.e. getting along with someone in rugged conditions for
> 24hours) it would definitely open the sport to greater participation. Ho=
> w
> many of us have been unable to compete in a Rogaine only because our
> partner couldn't make it? =
>
> And as far as the safety aspect is concerned, I would think that a
> competitor's safety would be GREATER with a cell phone rather than a huma=
> n
> partner since the phone would not be lost, tired or confused. And help
> could be immediately summoned in the event of accident, rather than waiti=
> ng
> for a partner to find his way out of the woods to tug on someone's sleeve=
> =2E
>
> Clark Maxfield
> =
There are at least two problems with the cell phone as the safety
alternative to a partner. First is the difficulty that cell phones
often have blind spots in many parts of a course, particularly in
steep-sided gullies or reentrants (where are you most likely to break
a leg on the course?). This was certainly the case for the Rogaine
which our club put on last summer, where probably half the area on the
course was out of contact (this does not mean that one cell phone in
the party wouldn't have been useful, as hilltops were well distributed
and picked up carriers just fine). Secondly, if there is a more
serious injury resulting in a head injury and unconciousness, the cell
phone wouldn't do a bit of good to a competitor in summoning aid from
potential rescuers.
I think that the excuse of being unable to compete in a Rogaine
because of the absence of a partner is over-rated. Usually partner
matching works out rather well if the organizer is notified well in
advance that a partner is needed, and given some indications of the
capabilities which need to be matched. In CNYO's events in the past
we have patched together several teams every year, with probably fewer
compatibility complaints than are heard from self-selected teams,
having produced a number of teams which have gone on to compete
regularly together for several years.
Eric Smith
From: mikeminium@aol.com (Mikeminium)
Date: 10 Feb 1998 14:03:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Dangerous wild animals
Message-Id: <19980210140300.JAA29579@ladder03.news.aol.com>
>Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings"
> with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
I'll be interested in hearing the responses to this. I know of one female
oreinteer who was run over by a deer. Apparently the animal was frightened by
other orienteers and blindly ran into her. She was found walking up a park
road, somewhat dazed and confused, but otherwise un-injured.
Mike Minium
From: "IMRA" <imra@iol.ie>
Date: 10 Feb 1998 00:59:34 GMT
Subject: CONTACT-O
Message-Id: <01bd35be$f4164340$8d297dc2@default>
Lawrence J Berman <ona@world.std.com> wrote in article
<Pine.SGI.3.95.980206100145.707A-100000@world.std.com>...
...
> I have
> sometimes joked that if we had "full-contact" orienteering
> (allow competitors within a 10 m circle of the control to
> physically prevent others from punching in), we would have
> a better chance.
>
Now that I'm fat not fast, I'm all in favour of a new full contact
derivative of orienteering. The thought of reviving the long forgotten
skills learnt on the rugby pitch in a scrum at each control; I just can't
wait.
This of course will start a full blooded flame war on the necessity of body
armour, injudicious use of the control punch, eye gouging, and sundry
interesting topics. And of course the fight over the slogan; we've had
"More Pain, Rogaine". Groan-O Moan-O Gouge-O (should be popular in
Argentina) Teeth-O (not popular in old Yugoslavia) and Fuck This For A Game
Of Cowboys-O
Cheeri-O
Douglas
Douglas Barry
Irish Mountain Running Association
http://www.iol.ie/~imra
From: mikeminium@aol.com (Mikeminium)
Date: 10 Feb 1998 14:15:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Dumb OCAD 6 Question
Message-Id: <19980210141500.JAA00652@ladder03.news.aol.com>
>OCAD 6. There are some
>symbols I need to use but can't find in the menu of symbols, > namely, a
>contour line with slope tags and an open marsh (i.e. blue and
> yellow horizontal stripes).
Some other folks might have better suggestions, but:
For slope tags, I just use a very short piece of regular contour, placing
it exactly where needed.
For the open marsh, draw the marsh, select the yellow "rough open", and
use the "Fill/make border" tool. This is the same way you would add the
vertical green "undergrowth" lines to a rough open field.
Mike Minium
From: sharston@rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (jSh)
Date: 9 Feb 1998 15:38:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Y2000.
Message-Id: <6bn7te$rsc$1@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>
Raymond Chung (chungr@sx.com) wrote:
: I always thought that the year 2000 is NOT a leap year.
Leap year is ...
* divisable by 4 unless
* divisible by 100 BUT
* divisible by 400 IS leap-year
At least, this is how the help to Visual Basic defines it, and how the Royal
Greenwich Observatory does too.
=> http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/RGO/leaflets/leapyear/leapyear.html
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From: "C Reid" <Charles@askip.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:35:16 GMT
Subject: UK National Lottery Mapping Applications: Contacts Wanted
Message-Id: <01bd35a3$af3b91a0$8ada989e@default>
If anyone out there knows of any UK Club/Associations currently preparing a
National Lotterry submission for mapping projects I would be very grateful
for any contact details (digital, analogue and cellulose based).
Charles Reid
Northern Ireland Orienteering Association
From: Soady <soady@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:51:48 -0800
Subject: Re: Orienteering in the Olympics
Message-Id: <34DE6F43.5859@dial.pipex.com>
First I am suprised that there have no reports, comments, results of the
recent World Champs on O-Net?
Second - I have just received a set of results from the first
orienteering event held as part of the Olympics Games - the question now
is not 'will orienteering ever be part of the Olympics?' - we have
crossed that hurdle in Nagano. The next question is 'will it be part of
the sporting programme at SLC?' - I am waiting to hear about the
'Downhill Supersprint' - I can't think of a way of making orienteering
more tele friendly than that
For info the results of the short race were:
Men
1. Nicolo Cooadini ITA 41.29
2. Bertil Nordqvist SWE 42.24
3. Vladislav Kormchtchikov RUS 42.51
Women
1. Arja Hannus SWE 40.25
2. Liisa Anttila FIN 40.42
3. Tatiana Naumova RUS 42.19
Sally Soady
From: Gordon Ross <GROSS1SOT@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:45:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Casio Problem
Message-Id: <199802101145_MC2-32C3-EAAB@compuserve.com>
On 10/2/98 1:33 am Lisa Godsey & Gale Teschendorf said..........
>To be safe nobody should rely on their Casio or other digital watch not
>crashing during a race that includes the 23:59:59 12/31/1999 to 01:00:01=
>01/01/2000. Any race should end before midnight or start after
>midnight. Most watch owners will probably be out in a pub drinking away=
>thier sorrows because they bought faulty equipment.
Actually I hope a lot of orienteers will be running in the New Zealand =
Midnight event - part of the WMOC Festival
Gross
From: Pat Dunlavey <pdcarto@berkshire.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:21:35 -0500
Subject: Re: syntosil, artosil
Message-Id: <34E0383F.ACF10BE6@berkshire.net>
Felix Moser wrote:
> Since there is no artosyl for O-maps, we use now a new paper which is
> waterproof too. I have no idea how this paper is named, or where you can
> buy it.
> You may ask Peter Luescher (phone/fax +41 62 822 38 30) or Hansjorg Graf
> <hgraf@bluewin.ch>, both are printing O-maps in Switzerland.
>
> -Felix.
Thanks for the info, Felix. Several people emailed me privately with the
information that the paper now being used in Switzerland is called
PRETEX, made by Lahnstein GmbH in Germany. That company is owned by Sihl
+ Eika in Zurich (the former makers of artosil and syntosil). I'm
currently investigating whether PRETEX can be obtained in north america.
-- Pat
From: William Luitje <luitje@acm.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:18:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Dangerous wild animals
Message-Id: <34E061C5.7A26@acm.org>
Guenther Kloeckl wrote:
>
> Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings" with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
At the Drummond Island Rogaine in northern Michigan USA black bears
abound and every year a few teams will see some. There are some wolves
but no one has seen anything more than foot prints. While both of these
animals can be dangerous no such incidents have taken place.
My experience is with bears and they will either run away or watch you
placidly as you get out of their territory. But let me tell you, at 4
o'clock in the morning when you have been going hard for 19 hours and
you think that you are so tired that nothing can revive you and you come
upon a bear in some remote place, your heart will RACE!
From: William Luitje <luitje@acm.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:44:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Tags and Open marshes
Message-Id: <34E059CF.5896@acm.org>
Thanks for your helpful reply. I do have a question about your last
point.
Mark Roberts wrote:
> (2) The open area and marsh are separate symbols as well.
>
> It's best to disconnect marsh, green stripe, and yellow area symbols
> in your mind. They are different dimensions of the same terrain,
> which you can mix and match at will, except that some combinations
> are verboten.
>
> The symbol you draw isn't "open marsh" - it's "(1) an open area, with
> (2) a marsh on top of some of it."
I take this to mean that you draw the yellow open area first and then
draw the marsh directly on top of it. If so, wouldn't that run afoul of
the advice given recently about always cutting a hole in a yellow area
before drawing a marsh because OCAD will produce both colors in the same
area when it makes the color separations causing the inks to combine to
make awful colors when the map is offset printed?
From: dongyj@th2000.inet.tsinghua.edu.cn
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:21:24 -0600
Subject: Year 2000 is a leap year
Message-Id: <887080253.836960258@dejanews.com>
Year 2000 is a leap year. I just check it.
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From: Guenther Kloeckl <klg@dicosoft.co.at>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:05:44 +0100
Subject: Dangerous wild animals
Message-Id: <116A77548A41D111B31400A0C98A03E1039155@nt1.dicosoft.co.at>
Are there any stories or data about dangerous "meetings" with wild animals or even injuries during an O-event?
bye
Guenther Kloeckl
HSV Langenlebarn Orienteering-Team
http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h90/h9052618
From: Lisa Godsey & Gale Teschendorf <gdt@megsinet.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: Re: Casio Problem
Message-Id: <34DFAE59.CA2425ED@megsinet.net>
To be safe nobody should rely on their Casio or other digital watch not
crashing during a race that includes the 23:59:59 12/31/1999 to 01:00:01
01/01/2000. Any race should end before midnight or start after
midnight. Most watch owners will probably be out in a pub drinking away
thier sorrows because they bought faulty equipment.
Jacky Pett wrote:
> Anyone found out how they handle =
>
> the year 2000 yet?
>
> Jacky Pett
From: Lisa Godsey & Gale Teschendorf <gdt@megsinet.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:44:59 -0600
Subject: Re: RFI: Thumb Compasses
Message-Id: <34DFB11B.9A719C96@megsinet.net>
I will send you a catalog as soon as I get thumb compass pricing. While you wait
visit my web site at http://www.megsinet.com/gdt for other supplies.
Robb McLeod wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking to buy a thumb compass and I was hoping that someone could direct
> me to a mail order retailer in North America. I'm really wanting to get a
> catalogue to pervey the various models availible, so it would be helpful if
> anyone who has any information could include if I need to sent a SASE, pay for
> the catelogue, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> Robb McLeod
> rmcleod@uvic.ca
> (Please replace the "antispam" with "rmcleod" if replying via email)
From: "Mark Roberts" <nmr@iprolink.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:56:34 +0000
Subject: Tags and Open marshes
Message-Id: <199802100552.SAA44626@iprolink.co.nz>
William Luitje asks:
> So, I'm working on my first map and am using OCAD 6. There are
> some symbols I need to use but can't find in the menu of symbols,
> namely, a contour line with slope tags and an open marsh (i.e. blue
> and yellow horizontal stripes). Does that mean I'll have to define
> those symbols myself or are they hidden somewhere I haven't looked?
Wow, what juicy questions!
(1) The contour line and the slope tag are separate symbols. You
would normally expect to draw them separately.
You should only put in a slope tag when and where you think you need
one. It's sort of traditional to line up the slope tags neatly on
adjoining contours, which is only possible with individually
positioned tags.
So you need to draw slope tags with their very own symbol. Which
OCAD hasn't got, dunno why, maybe they don't need them in Switzerland
(!!!) You could just draw a short bit of contour, but the length
would be random, and it's not the best way.
So you have to make your own - easy to do - zoom right in, measure
the distance carefully as per the IOF spec, etc. My "standard"
symbol set includes this symbol along with a few more symbols that
OCAD needs and hasn't got.
Problem 1: (ocad 5 point of view, might be subtly different in ocad 6)
user-defined symbols are all point symbols, and the position where
you click to draw one becomes the "centre of gravity" of the symbol,
which is not much use for a tag line, because you want one end to
neatly touch the contour.
Solution 1: learn to click the right distance away from the contour,
and just keep trying until you get it right.
Solution 2: draw a counterbalancing but invisible bit pointing in
the other direction so that the COG of the symbol is one end of your
tag. See the thread on this topic about a year ago (?).
Problem 2: How to get it pointing the right way?
Solution: click and drag as you draw it.
Problem 3: it's another directional point symbol (like a cave or a spring)
Solution: never rotate your map (see the thread of 6 months ago
(?))
However, I did once make a symbol which was "contour lines with slope
tags" - it was for a special purpose map, a Mountain Bike O map of
gully / spur forest, intended for use by O novices. We only mapped
the detail we realy needed, which didn't include streams, so there
were few cues as to what was up and what was down. We wanted to make
sure the novices could see the terrain, so we needed lots of slope
tags, so I made up a new symbol which looked like an earth bank with
a very long gap between the tags.
(2) The open area and marsh are separate symbols as well.
It's best to disconnect marsh, green stripe, and yellow area symbols
in your mind. They are different dimensions of the same terrain,
which you can mix and match at will, except that some combinations
are verboten.
The symbol you draw isn't "open marsh" - it's "(1) an open area, with
(2) a marsh on top of some of it." Equally you don't draw "open with
junk underfoot", you draw "(1)an open area, with (2) junk underfoot
as well." You could even draw "(1) open with (2) marsh and (3) green
stripes, if you didn't mind being abused.
Best of luck with OCAD, William
Mark
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