From: Michael Bourg <Michael@bourg.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:26:23 -0600
Subject: Re: O-net Digest V8 #48
Message-Id: <4.1.19990225212218.00931e60@mb.mailbank.com>
Catherine,
I really like your ideas on sharing more info about non-profit... O-Clubs in
the US tend to reinvent the wheel each time they do something. We really need
to get in gear and share some info.... I think this duty needs to be on USOF
though. USOF needs to add this to the new web site system and also promote it
the best it can.
Robin & Liz,
What do you think???
>
> From: "Catherine Ann Yekenevicz, CPA" <cycpa@execpc.com>
From: "Dolani" <dolanmichael@tinet.ie>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:32:41 -0000
Subject: Info on basic course design?
Message-Id: <7b4eua$gj4$1@scotty.tinet.ie>
I'm putting out a course for novice competitors in open woodland. How long
should it be and how many controls should I use. This is all new to me.
Dolani
http://members.xoom.com/dolani/
From: Dmjcarto@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:16:40 EST
Subject: Re: ROGAINE-NOVA SCOTIA--CANADA MAY 21&22
Message-Id: <2f906028.36d5f5f8@aol.com>
Now you've really confused things. I've seen dates of May 15-16, Sat/Sun
(previous posting and ONA), May 22-23, Sat/Sun (web site) and May 21-22,
Fri/Sat. (recent posting). Could you please double check a 1999 calendar and
inform us all (preferably before the late fee cutoff) exactly which days your
planning on being there. It's almost a 20 hour drive up there from CNY and at
least three teams from here are planning on coming up but would like to be
there on the correct days.
mark
From: Dmjcarto@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:16:45 EST
Subject: Re: Copyrighting O-maps
Message-Id: <b81615f.36d5f5fd@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/24/99 7:21:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
havard.tveite@ikf.nlh.no writes:
> The final computerized drawing of the orienteering map is now very
> standardized (through the ISOM), perhaps to the extent that it no
> longer can be considered a work of art. Soon, the only artwork left
> here is the layout.
> While we only have guidelines for the surveying, the drawing is very
> regulated (there is a push to take away the map drawers freedom to
> deviate from the standard symbol sizes in the new ISOM).
> I get really angry when the computer drawing deviates from my
> surveying. It should not. Level of generalization and positioning
> of details and lines is the responsibility of the surveyor, not of
> the one doing the final drawing. How can you make better decisions
> about how to represent the terrain sitting by the computer?
Exactly why I charge the same fee (all be it higher then "normal") for my
work if I'm doing the final drafting or not. Then a club will have the
incentive not to hire someone to draft that'll "ruin" my field labour (why pay
someone else when it's already been covered in the fieldwork costs?). This
way I can control exactly what I want put down.
As far as the "strictness" of the ISOM, every map I produce has a slightly
different version of the symbol set from the previous work since I'm
constantly tweaking (as well as some creating of) symbols and their
dimensions, etc. I still believe in the old school of "the mapper knows
best". Sort of goes back to that "independent" thing of a few weeks ago.
mark
From: Gale Teschendorf <gdt@megsinet.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:33:01 -0600
Subject: Re: Timing of Events
Message-Id: <36D56D2D.1E996C7A@megsinet.net>
Is this for Orienteering? There are two O' timing systems. Both would
cost
thousands of US$ for a meet of 200+ people. They do not use barcodes.
If you had barcodes, you would need a scanner at both ends unless you had
a mass start. For a regular mass start foot race, the software required to
*capture* the times could be as simple as 3 lines of code. Additional
lines of code would be needed to report the results, but still a simple
process. Reading the barcodes is where you will have problems! Practice
with any system before you use it (or buy it)
Barcode readers send information to the computer in a manner simular to
the keyboard, often useing the keyboard port. This makes the programmer's
work easy as far as reading the barcodes. The computer has a built in
clock that can be used for timing.
Gale
Programmer including our Bar Code module.
SLS, Inc.
dfry@pcug.org.au wrote:
> Seeking information on electronis timing of events, together with
> barcoded chest numbers.
>
> Any other advice on electronic event timing would be appreciated.
>
> Alternatively are there any web sites I might get suitable information
> from.
>
> Many Thanks for your help.
>
> Doug Fry
> dfry@pcug.org.au
From: Gale Teschendorf <gdt@megsinet.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:24:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Timing of Events
Message-Id: <36D56B10.E7982761@megsinet.net>
Is this for Orienteering? There are two O' timing systems. Both would
cost
thousands of US$ for a meet of 200+ people. They do not use barcodes.
If you had barcodes, you would need a scanner at both ends unless you had
a mass start. For a regular mass start foot race, the software required to
*capture* the times could be as simple as 3 lines of code. Additional
lines of code would be needed to report the results, but still a simple
process. Reading the barcodes is where you will have problems! Practice
with any system before you use it (or buy it)
Barcode readers send information to the computer in a manner simular to
the keyboard, often useing the keyboard port. This makes the programmer's
work easy as far as reading the barcodes. The computer has a built in
clock that can be used for timing.
Gale
Programmer including our Bar Code module.
SLS, Inc.
dfry@pcug.org.au wrote:
> Seeking information on electronis timing of events, together with
> barcoded chest numbers.
>
> Any other advice on electronic event timing would be appreciated.
>
> Alternatively are there any web sites I might get suitable information
> from.
>
> Many Thanks for your help.
>
> Doug Fry
> dfry@pcug.org.au
From: "Barry Dalby" <eastwest@tinet.ie>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:09:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Copyrighting O-maps
Message-Id: <01be60e1$9cfa25a0$abfe869f@default>
I did guess that my suggestion regarding resurveying and redrawing an
existing map might be slightly provocative - after all, I too have spent
days, weeks, months exploring, plotting, generalising map detail in pursuit
of the O map. I wouldn't like to think that others could simply lift all
that effort from the printed page but I am inclined to the view that this is
indeed the case with maps. I'd agree in general with Haavard Tveite's
comments regarding cartographic generalisation and in particular with the
points about the differing interpretations of various mappers and
photogrammetric operators.
However, despite these valid points one can only conclude that the O map is
intended to be a scaled representation of reality - the simplification and
generalistion process is used to enhance that representation - to improve
the picture. There is also the important question of originality - can you
think of any map in the modern world that is truly original?? Every square
kilometre of the Western world has been portrayed by maps in many forms and
even an O map of a remote area will contain features that have appeared on
maps beforehand. You can resurvey the features, improve the shape and so on
but can you claim copyright to the existence of the feature or your scaled
representation of it??
Barry Dalby.
EastWest Mapping, Ballyredmond, Clonegal, Enniscorthy, Co.Wexford. Ireland.
Ph./Fax. + 353 (0)54 77835
e-mail: eastwest@tinet.ie
web site: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~eastwest
From: Student <student@fsclib.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:30:46 +0000
Subject: WCOC website
Message-Id: <3EOg1IAGhR12Ew+f@fsclib.demon.co.uk>
WCOC has updated its ancient website and it now includes up to date
results from the evening events.
The site is still under construction but will shortly contain much more
information and results.
Find it at www.seaville.freeserve.co.uk
Duncan Taylor
Duncan@seaville.freeserve.co.uk
--
From: "McGarvey, Randy" <Randy.Mcgarvey@westgroup.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:10:26 -0600
Subject: ski-o map holders
Message-Id: <B15A0DE524B8D111A26900805F0D6FFE557B7A@conesus.roc.westgroup.com>
I'm having trouble finding companies who carry ski-orienteering map holders.
If you know of any, would you please forward their name, e-mail/web address,
and/or phone number to me?
Please send responses directly to me. I'm not currently an o-net
subscriber.
Thanks in advance.
--
Randall McGarvey
randallm@iname.com
From: dfry@pcug.org.au
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:06:09 GMT
Subject: Timing of Events
Message-Id: <36d4e9d0.0@newshost.pcug.org.au>
Seeking information on electronis timing of events, together with
barcoded chest numbers.
Any other advice on electronic event timing would be appreciated.
Alternatively are there any web sites I might get suitable information
from.
Many Thanks for your help.
Doug Fry
dfry@pcug.org.au
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:49:13 -1000
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