From: "Rick Hood" <rickhood@gte.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:51:01 GMT Subject: Map Copyright Question Message-Id: <ppZR3.141$hp5.8005@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>
An interesting situation came up when we approach a local county park to map the park for O -- all seemed favorable, save they initially they wanted to own the copyright to the map. After explaining our rational, they seemed to better appreciate our situation. Question: has any club actually given over the copyright to a map, save where the land owner/manager has paid ALL the cost associated with the map? Thanks, Rick Hood, COC Edmonds, Washington State, USA
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From: "Andrew Kelly" <andrewk@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:55:22 +0100 Subject: New areas Message-ID: <000601bf2119$ccb869c0$8a82bc3e@jo93.dial.pipex.com>
As chairman of Claro (orienteering club for Harrogate, Ripon and surrounding area), a few thoughts to add to those already expressed. Although we have brought approximately 15 new areas on stream since the club was formed 9 years ago, there are areas that are untouched. Roy Denney's posting highlights most of the issues as to why they aren't mapped to date. There is another one: mapping resources and cost. All Claro's areas have been mapped on a voluntary basis (except part of one which was professionally mapped for JK95), using a team of half a dozen or so. There is a limit as to how much can done in between earning livings! Professional mapping is an option, but we have avoided this to (a) try and keep costs down so that events remain cheap and (b) to retain a good skills base in the club. The former is important for two reasons. The obvious one is that it means the sport is more accessible to newcomers. The other is that it means the club can operate on reasonably small margins and reserves. Reliance on professional mapping means tying up a lot of money in bank accounts for long(ish) periods of time, and relying on events making fairly large profits in order to fund future mapping bills (or paying for past ones - whichever way you like to look at it). All of which may benefit the profits of the banks, but does little for orienteering. Claro have just decided to raise entry fees for its colour coded events from GBP2.50/1.00 to GBP3.00/1.50 . This should be seen in the context that over half the accessible land in our area is owned by one landowner, who charges GBP 1.50 per head (seniors and juniors). On this basis, we are able to maintain a viable events programme where half our colour coded events attract less than 150 people, without having to put on large, high income/profit events (ie. Badge/Nationals), which would diminish our capacity to sustain the local programme (we are still a relatively small, if growing, club). That programme currently consists of 4-5 colour codeds, 3-4 summer limited colour codeds, a short race event and a night event (both part of Yorkshire leagues), almost all within 10km of Harrogate and/or Ripon. However, clubs have just received information about the new BOF levy structure. Based on the proposed figures (which I obviously hope will be changed!), clubs who stage annual Badge/National events may benefit or remain unaffected, but as a club which focuses primarily on local development, our initial costings indicate a 300-400% increase in our levy bill for next year, and serious consequences for our event programme and mapping of new areas - far more so than the odd difficult landowner! Andrew Kelly